New on All4Shooters: Keltec RDB and M43 bullpups

10 Responses to New on All4Shooters: Keltec RDB and M43 bullpups

1. Rivrdog says:

   January 17, 2014 at 12:53 pm

   …and Kel-Tec CNC’s production rate for these is projected to be what?

   Kel-Tec CNC continues to highlight it’s fine design bureau, but designing new models MUST be matched with increasing overall production capability if the fresh approaches are to mean anything to the gun-consumer world.

   Contrast this with Remington’s introduction of the R51 pistol. When Remington introduced the gun just two weeks ago, they had a brand-new production facility ready to produce it, perhaps on the order of a half-million units per year.

   Kel-Tec isn’t Remington, and never will be, but the experience of the KSG and the RFB tell us that something needs to change, or else Kel-Tec needs to put the caveat “limited production” into every advertisement.
2. sean says:

   January 18, 2014 at 5:51 pm

   So, mid-2019 in store date? Time for Ruger to buy Kel-tec, instead of just copying them.
   • HSR47 says:

     January 24, 2014 at 3:53 pm

     Actually, I think Kel-Tec needs to follow the example of John M. Browning (PBUH): Design awesome new guns and then get a major manufacturer to produce them in quantity.
3. Dan says:

   January 19, 2014 at 10:15 pm

   Wonderful……Now we have TWO more guns made of Unobtainium that we will
   see pictures of and hear glowing reviews about but will never actually be able to lay
   hands on.
4. ChrisJ says:

   January 20, 2014 at 11:33 am

   I hate to be so pessimistic, but I really worry about the downward ejection. While I’m sure the hot brass will be fine with cotton or wool clothes, I’d worry what that would do to someone wearing synthetics, as I often do in my summertime outdoor activities. Especially if a piece of hot brass gets caught somewhere like at the beltline with a tucked in shirt. In this regard it seems like they’re fixing something (forward ejection) that wasn’t broken.

   And don’t even get my started on the outrageous prices that have been quoted, that alone has me going back to looking at the Tavor.
   • Oleg Volk says:

     January 20, 2014 at 11:34 am

     Tavor and RDB are the same price.
     • ChrisJ says:

       January 20, 2014 at 12:28 pm

       It’s the same reason that Kel-Tec can’t charge the same price for a P-11 that a Glock 26 can command; IWI and the Tavor have a much better reputation with proven designs than anything Kel-Tec related.

       That’s without even getting into issues of availability, and not to mention Tavor prices may not be staying at the $2K mark for too much longer as purchasing slows (http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/tavor-sar-flattop-16-5-barrel-detail.html?Itemid=0)

       Now don’t get me wrong, I own an RFB, but I didn’t pay $2K for it either. I also carry Kel-Tec pistols, they’re fantastic for the niche they fill.

       All things considered a reduced complexity, volume produced, 223 RFB, from Kel-Tec should be coming in with an MSRP of ~$1.5K and a shelf price of a few hundred below that when/if supply catches up with demand.
       • HSR47 says:

         January 24, 2014 at 4:00 pm

         Re: the price of the Tavor:

         The first time I saw the Tavor offered for sale was at a gun show about 3 months into the last panic. At that show, they were priced in the $2,400 range, and they did not appear to be moving at that price point.

         When I picked mine up in ~July-August of last year, the sticker price was ~$2,000, and it had been sitting for months at that price (although that shop is tiny and relatively new).

         Within the last month or so, the FFL that I work for has gotten at least two in, and both moved relatively quickly at ~$1,900.

         At this point, I don’t see street prices on the Tavor going much lower than ~$1,800 short of price cuts from IWI US.
         • Vlad G. says:

           January 27, 2014 at 1:08 pm

           I got a tavor for $1,500 ftf, only 40rds through it from the previous owner.
   • HSR47 says:

     January 24, 2014 at 4:05 pm

     As far as downward vs forward ejection goes, I tend to favor the former.

     I’ve recently played around with a FN FS2000 (which ejects forward), and I’m not sure I like it’s dumpster-lid setup. Also, I don’t know how the system on the RFB works, but on the FS2000 the bolt must come forward in order to ensure that the extracted case is fully ejected: this is why the rifle doesn’t have an automatic bolt hold open. A downward ejecting rifle shouldn’t need to worry about this, which could potentially speed reloads considerably.

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