I was thinking about the hundred heads promised for Mike Vanderbough. Though most of the eighty victims of Waco Massacre had surviving friends and family, and the event received wide publicity, I don’t know of a single case of revenge killing over it. Lon Horiuchi may be hiding too efficiently to be acquired, but plenty of other ATF and FBI personnel of all ranks have been implicated in the murders…yet they all, to the best of my knowledge, remain live and well except attrition by unrelated causes.
Should we conclude from this evidence that officials who order murder of civilians can enjoy safety from retribution?
Your answer is yes. However, things have changed since Waco. If it happened again, I think there’d be some real issues and the population might not be so tame. However, for the most part, the average Joe takes the status quo at face value. If they have a job, they can watch sports on a big screen, eat out every so often, and BBQ / Boat / Beach on the weekend, that seems to be the very definition of content irrespective of what goes on in DC.
Or more concisely, “bread and circuses.”
Or “fat and warm.”
As long as the officials spin it right in the media, they will get away with it. You need to remember that most gun owners are very law abiding and family people. They have to weigh the cost of shooting the murdering SOB versus a lifetime in prison and the lives of their family members being ruined.
Why should anyone take Vanderboegh seriously? He’s nothing more than a bloated caricature of a man. Man probably wouldn’t be able to sprint more than fifty meters before getting a coronary.
Anyone writing about the kind of stuff he writes about, on the internet, under their own name, is nothing more than a blowhard. They can’t ever do anything. If shit hits the fan, they’ll be the first one to get taken away by SWAT teams..
Make plans, draw up lists.. fine. But not on a network the gov’t keeps scanning, nor in the presence of any cellphones (aka remotely activated bugging device)
To me, by writing about that kind of stuff, the guy is just making sure he won’t ever have to actually do anything, ’cause his profile is too high..
Having met Mike (and found him rather more interesting in person), I’d say he’s doing his part by writing. So what if he makes lousy infantryman, his talents are elsewhere.
It’s worth noting that Mike will put his money where his mouth is. He’s one of the two “amateur” journalists who helped get the Project Gunrunner whistleblower in front of Senator Grassley and Congressman Issa.
He recently noted that the feds are reading his mail again. But at least this time they take the rubber bands off the last weeks mail before they put it in his mailbox on Monday.
Mike’s words to me personally: “My job is not to win the fight but to make sure I die in the exchange” or something like that with stoic acceptance.
He knows his role isn’t to fight the battle but awake as many fighters as possible and point the way to the moral high ground.
The freedom movement MUST capture that high ground when the cold war goes hot. Unfortunately that means we will lose many good people on the way there.
Have you read this classic?
Everyone should…
http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=1874
I was working up this “we don’t have a who to vote for problem but rather an education problem” post before reading your link.
I plan to steal it and post it as my Facebook status on Independence Day.
Good one and posted.
Why should anyone take Vanderboegh seriously?
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He didn’t promise 100 heads, as I remember, it was an ex-Marine sniper.
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The 3 percenters would be far more scary if they were pseudonymous and in the dark, then in the open.
Combat against the state, when it comes, will have to be necessarily assymetrical, therefore those who make it known they are not to be pushed around and will eventually respond with force are needlessly exposing themselves to danger by saying so aloud.
Vanderboegh would be far more formidable if it weren’t known he’s an infirm old guy living on social security in Alabama, of all places.
“Vanderboegh would be far more formidable if it weren’t known he’s an infirm old guy living on social security in Alabama, of all places.”
I don’t understand the point of your animosity towards him, everyone has a role to play. Even if he’s old and infirm, he’s doing his part with the tools available to him, he’s writing to inform.
“I am not influenced by the expectation of promotion or pecuniary award; I wish to be useful, and every kind of service necessary to the public good becomes honorable by being necessary. If the exigencies of my country demand a peculiar service, its claims to perform that service are imperious.” – Nathan Hale
in Alabama, of all places.
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You must be from New England……..
The Yankee Problem In America, By Clyde Wilson
http://www.namsouth.com/viewtopic.php?t=1476&highlight=wilson
“By Yankee I do not mean everybody from north of the Potomac and Ohio……I am using the term historically to designate that peculiar ethnic group descended from New Englanders, who can be easily recognized by their arrogance, hypocrisy, greed, lack of congeniality, and penchant for ordering other people around. Puritans long ago abandoned anything that might be good in their religion but have never given up the notion that they are the chosen saints whose mission is to make America, and the world, into the perfection of their own image.”
(lol)
I’ve never even been to any English speaking country, ever..
“Should we conclude from this evidence that officials who order murder of civilians can enjoy safety from retribution?”
I think We The People are still hoping for a political solution. If that hope wanes, things change significantly.
On that note; the Republican Party is our biggest obstacle. They stand in our way of defeating the leftist cause and pulling it out by the roots, and so we must defeat them first.
Look to the states – there you will find the answers.
R. you tell what this person is worth, what that one will do and that other one not. What will happen to whom and how when “the SHTF” whom will be taken first, who is useful and who useless. Why those who are known are not scary , and pseudonymous is virtuous. Will you please tell all here something about me?
Why? Because if you let the man know, that you won’t be pushed around forever, you are automatically getting on their shit list.
I mean, you don’t know the US gov’t has a list of a few million ‘subversives’ who are to be rounded up if SHTF? Maintained under the cold war continuity of government programs…
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=25295
If someone discusses tactics or preparedeness or armed resistance, and does so in a way(through good anonymizers, scarce mention of RL circumstances, etc) that won’t get them on the gov’t $hit list(the so called ‘main core’ database) until it’s too late, that person will be able to do more..
People like Vanderboegh will however make fine martyrs, if they’ll have the guts to go out with guns blazing, or at least like modern day Vikings, that is, with a bang.
@@ Kerry –
The question was actually posed to ‘R’, but if I may –
You are six feet and ten inches tall and weigh 210 poinds; you are an Irish-American albino, your Mum was an IRA operative and your Dad a former Polis resistance fighter. You have a tattoo of an elf stabbing a dwarf to death, on your right kneecap and another on your forehead which reads “STFU!”
. Your dogs, Barack and Hussein, are 90 pound cross breed German shepherd/ timberwolf hybrids and you belong to a motorcycle gang called the Sons of Torquemada.
Did I get it all right? I’m taking this mail-order course from R.
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“The 3 percenters would be far more scary if they were pseudonymous and in the dark, then in the open.”
You can’t possibly have any idea how many of them didn’t post here….
1, Oleg, you are correct in one respect – until a foot hits the right tripwire, the typical gun owner will do almost anything to avoid initiating the bloodbath. Those among us who have actually engaged in war, ‘police actions’, or unrecognized encounters in which killing was necessary, are often the last to want to see the events come home, but when that point is reached there is little or no mercy, except for the sparing of women and children.
2 Try not to feed the trolls – especially those who, like ‘R’ are either government paid agents provocateur or else the people who never have and never will engage in anything other than criticizing others. They seem to think that my doing so, they can compensate for their own lack of courage and / or their lack of equipment size.
3. Finally, the hundred heads issue was indeed from a Marine scout/sniper – but not to sound picky, there ain’t no ‘ex’-Marines. Just Marines.
Keep up the great work.
And don’t feed the trolls.
Don’t confuse courage with blind stupidity, old man. The key to winning is never to pick fair fights, and always to attack when it’s least expected. And the second most important thing is to not make a target out of yourself. Vanderboegh could just as well be doing his work by publishing pseudonymous incendiary pamphlets. That’s an old american tradition I believe.
No ex-marines? So, Kennedy was shot by a Marine?
And I’d say you’re pretty deluded if you think gov’t wastes time with following people like Oleg. Gov’t paid agent provocateurs are restricted to more mainstream anti-state groups, like various peace or enviromental initiatives. Terrorist groups, where they are used to implicate losers and turn them into ‘threats’ for public consumption..
If you post on this or any similar site — anonymous or not — and don’t think you’re on a “list” somewhere, you’re a FOOL.
The Enemy is more worried about US than they are the so-called “terrorists” they spend so much time riling the Sheeple about.
If you’ve ever posted on any similar site, you’re noted — period.
Even TOR or similar is no help — the simple fact that you’re using it is enough to get you added to the database.
Best of all, doing so is TRIVIAL, and AUTOMATIC at this point, requiring no active human input whatsoever.
The only real “grey men” are those who NEVER even visit such sites.
I’m not trying to scare or discourage anyone — but we’re all best off fully aware of our situation. Forewarned should be fore-armed…
$0.02
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Best of all, doing so is TRIVIAL, and AUTOMATIC at this point, requiring no active human input whatsoever.
The point is, that unless you go on waxing publicly, you may be in such a database, but on the same level as a zillion other people who like guns. TOR users not so much. Every IT savvy teenager who doesn’t want his father looking at his browsing habits uses something like TOR. In fact, TOR is mostly used for porn, according to stats.
Arresting people on such pretenses would be counterproductive and just radicalize some of them. I doubt mass executions and disappearances will come into vogue, that means after letting them go, they’ll be pissed off.
Whereas people who have been busy proclaiming for years how they want to fight the oppressors and how the tree of liberty needs watering, they will be kept in custody forever.
“R” – blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah. Blah. Blah blah blah.
Yeah, well, that’s what dogs and stupid people understand. Nothing 😉
It does constantly chafe, how those by whom liberty and justice is sword to be upheld so often give only lip-service to the same. It seems that if a LEO or politician commits a felony in the course of their job, the most that would happen is a loss of job, and often less than that.
“…Every IT savvy teenager who doesn’t want his father looking at his browsing habits uses something like TOR. In fact, TOR is mostly used for porn, according to stats…”
Then they’re idiots.
Proxies make it difficult for outside snoopers to follow tracks, they do *NOTHING to clear local logs, etc.
Put another way, if I can gain physical access to your machine, TOR won’t
stop me from logging every site you have ever visited – just for starters.
If they seek to come for someone, let them come for me. Death is preferable to a life of slavery