Somebody’s Christmas Present

17 Responses to Somebody’s Christmas Present

1. Kevin Menard says:

   December 29, 2017 at 7:36 am

   And I had thought my rifle from FSD was cool. Can I exchange?
2. Ron W says:

   December 29, 2017 at 9:01 am

   Why not both?
3. Lyle says:

   December 29, 2017 at 12:37 pm

   I’d have to have it explained what a cute goth chick exposing her boobs has to do with Jesus Christ. It’s a nice photo and all, but I don’t get the connection.

   Now that I think about it, I don’t know what Christmas has to do with Jesus Christ other than that it ostensibly coincides with his date of birth.
   • thinkingman says:

     December 29, 2017 at 2:43 pm

     For the answer, attend a Mass, in Latin, regardless of your leanings and linguistic skills. Learn to look at most of what is done at that time of year as being a miss-guided way of having children participate WHILE teaching them something about the holiday. Somewhere along the line, most folks forgot to do the teaching, and the rest was taken to ridiculous extremes. Yes, I get your point- but someone else may not, so a bit of clarification, and a chance to be wordy.
   • Oleg Volk says:

     December 29, 2017 at 3:09 pm

     Red and green are Christmas colors, and she’s unwrapping the present.
4. Bill says:

   December 29, 2017 at 3:03 pm

   I’d like to see more of that Christmas present!
5. Ray says:

   December 30, 2017 at 6:34 am

   First: NO ONE has the slightest idea when Jesus was born. The Catholic church co-opted the northern European pagan, midwinter holyday and tacked Jesus’s name onto it,(much as they did with 5 million other things) sometime in the late third century AD. Second: In rural Appalachia “Old Christmass” was celebrated in mid January as late as the 1930’s. Different non-Catholic religious groups have observed Christmass anywhere from late November until Feb. The universal observance on 25 December , Like the date for thanksgiving, is a creation of the FDR Whitehouse. Third: That woman is SMOKIN’ hot.
   • Louis says:

     December 30, 2017 at 6:27 pm

     Ray,

     I have heard this argument before that no one knows when Jesus was born and it is disappointing but correctable.

     Without nitpicking about Hebrew vs. Jew vs. Israelite I am going to use the word Jew in the generic sense here. No slight is intended.

     The Jewish calendar is lunar based so prominent observances will vary by date when comparing them on a Jewish calendar versus the Gregorian thing the Western world uses.

     Here is a good example. We observe New Year’s on the calendar date January 1st. Every year. The Jewish New Year is called Rosh Hashana but it is not observed on the same calendar date each year. In 2016 it appears as October 3rd and 4th and in 2017 it appears as September 21st and 22nd. Don’t get me started on a day being reckoned to begin at the previous sundown; just use and understand the difference in dates.

     Here are some calendar links if you want to see for yourself:
     http://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/?year=2017&v=1&month=x&yt=G&nx=on&o=on&vis=on&d=on&c=off&maj=on&min=on&mod=on

     https://www.hebcal.com/holidays/rosh-hashana

     I am not going to repeat Dr. Michael Heiser’s speech on the birth date of Jesus. Here is a link to a video where he lays it all out and it is well worth watching:
     http://www.michaelsheiser.com/Videos/Rev12/Rev12.html

     We have an enemy that does not want us to observe and celebrate the birth of Jesus, especially on His actual birth date. Christians are mocked and ridiculed by this evil as we go on celebrating the pagan “Christmas” as if it is not derived from ancient Nimrod worship.

     Think about how difficult it would be to steer this “Christmas” event away from what it is and focus people back on the real birth date of Jesus with the stain of 9/11 in peoples’ minds. That would be a pretty tough job.

     However Dr. Michael Heiser with the help of a computer and some astronomy software and the Book of Revelation has done a wonderful thing.

     The birth date of Jesus was not December 25th. Not even close but you CAN know within 40 minutes and I say that’s a pretty good thing.
   • Louis says:

     December 30, 2017 at 6:32 pm

     I tried posting this once and it did not appear to work so I am trying a second time. I apologize if you see it multiple times.

     Ray,

     I have heard this argument before that no one knows when Jesus was born and it is disappointing but correctable.

     Without nitpicking about Hebrew vs. Jew vs. Israelite I am going to use the word Jew in the generic sense here. No slight is intended.

     The Jewish calendar is lunar based so prominent observances will vary by date when comparing them on a Jewish calendar versus the Gregorian thing the Western world uses.

     Here is a good example. We observe New Year’s on the calendar date January 1st. Every year. The Jewish New Year is called Rosh Hashana but it is not observed on the same calendar date each year. In 2016 it appears as October 3rd and 4th and in 2017 it appears as September 21st and 22nd. Don’t get me started on a day being reckoned to begin at the previous sundown; just use and understand the difference in dates.

     Here are some calendar links if you want to see for yourself:
     http://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/?year=2017&v=1&month=x&yt=G&nx=on&o=on&vis=on&d=on&c=off&maj=on&min=on&mod=on

     https://www.hebcal.com/holidays/rosh-hashana

     I am not going to repeat Dr. Michael Heiser’s speech on the birth date of Jesus. Here is a link to a video where he lays it all out and it is well worth watching:
     http://www.michaelsheiser.com/Videos/Rev12/Rev12.html

     We have an enemy that does not want us to observe and celebrate the birth of Jesus, especially on His actual birth date. Christians are mocked and ridiculed by this evil as we go on celebrating the pagan “Christmas” as if it is not derived from ancient Nimrod worship.

     Think about how difficult it would be to steer this “Christmas” event away from what it is and focus people back on the real birth date of Jesus with the stain of 9/11 in peoples’ minds. That would be a pretty tough job.

     However Dr. Michael Heiser with the help of a computer and some astronomy software and the Book of Revelation has done a wonderful thing.

     The birth date of Jesus was not December 25th. Not even close but you CAN know within 40 minutes and I say that’s a pretty good thing.
     • Kevin Menard says:

       December 31, 2017 at 9:18 am

       Okay, if we are going to dig into this, one should realize that the early Church probably knew all that. After all, the actual date of Easter is recorded. However, the positioning of Christmas was done as part of a liturgical year by the early Church. Christmas was one of the 12 great feasts of the cycle and part of its positioning is 9 months from the feast of the Annunciation. I don’t think anyone really thinks it’s the actual date. I also don’t think any believer really cares.

       It wasn’t a big deal in much of the world – the current celebration is recent and derives from Germanic customs. Much of this is recent. Stuff in the middle ages in the west was actually focused on the 12 nights following – it was preceded by a fast like Lent in the spring. In the US, it came in with German immigrants. Before that, it was just a feast day where you went to service for Catholics, Orthodox and High Church Anglicans. Other sects mostly ignored it. The popular celebration was disapproved of enough that the first president of Yale was fired for being a secret Christmas keeper.

       And all this doesn’t effect that Oleg has again made me green with envy of his skills in portrait photograph. (to work the other color in).
   • Kevin Menard says:

     December 31, 2017 at 9:20 am

     Ray – Roman holiday. Northern Europe was a savage backwater then.

     And I celebrate January 6th…

     and on three, yep.

     Kevin
6. Ray says:

   December 31, 2017 at 6:53 am

   AGAIN with the fundamentalist religion. Sorry but : The views of fanatics carry little in the way of validity. Anyone using the bible as “proof” of anything automatically loses any argument. NO ONE can prove that Jesus Christos (Greek name BTW) actually lived at all. There is less proof of his actual life or death outside the Christian holy book, than there is for UFO’s or Bigfoot. You want to live on “faith”? Then have at it. That is your basic human right. But PLEASE stop trying to use your holy book to prove, that your holy book is the “one and only” proof, that your holy book is the only and final truth, and anyone using the book of “revelations”. A book written by a madman who lived alone in a cave on a Greek Island , hundreds of years after the first century AD. ANYONE citing “revelations” as anything other than the work of a madman has no valid argument to make.
   • RAN 58 says:

     December 31, 2017 at 5:59 pm

     Actually Ray there is more proof for the historicity of Jesus’ existence than Bigfoot or UFO’s. And stating that anyone who points to the bible as proof automatically loses any arguements reveals your ignorance on the proofs and historicity of the biblical manuscripts. If you wanted to be knowledgeable about the subject you would be able to learn that biblical manuscripts have more authenticity than the writings attributed to Julius Caesar or Plato. But I digress.
     Two proofs of the historicity of Jesus are the writings of the historian Josephus who makes mention of Jesus in his historical tome which also recount the fall of Jerusalem and Masada.
     And Jesus is also referenced in the Talmud of that day (written by Jewish religious scholars who had no interest in promoting Jesus as the Messiah). They refer to Jesus as the bastard son of Joseph and Mary.
     So take time Ray and do your homework because by your standard we don’t know if you exist. Oh and by the way, that women is very good looking.
     • Michael Z. Williamson says:

       January 1, 2018 at 2:09 pm

       There is zero evidence for, and plenty of evidence against, the myth that the Romans required people to relocate and be censused/taxed. Since such a basic fact in the story is completely false, it discredits the entire story as “likely mythical.”

       Now, being mythical does not mean there isn’t an actual person behind it–we have found what is probably Beowulf’s barrow, exactly where the mythological story says we’d find it.

       So there certainly could have been a Christ. There were many messiahs running around at the time, most of them kooks. A really inspired person may have existed. But the documentation cannot be reconciled with the historical facts we have, so cannot be cited as proof of anything.

       The probable astrological dates of the birth of Christ, if he existed, are late fall sometime in the 7-3 BC range. No claim of “within 40 minutes” has any credible basis.

       The mythical belief that “enemies” want to “destroy” your religion, and that anyone who isn’t a true believer is an “enemy,” is fundamentally much like the Muslim fundamentalists fearing for the loss of their faith when faced with contradictory facts.

       Which is not to say that Christianity (at present) is as violent as the more extreme elements of Islam. But it is no more “correct.”

       Also, an astute observer would note that none of the alleged “miracles” have ever occurred in the modern day where modern observation can show them. And most of them occurred only where the “faithful” were the observers.

       Convenient. And not convincing.

       When a chariot comes down from the clouds to carry someone to God, I’ll simply observe it’s a more effective spaceship than we have, and not proof of any god.
     • Michael Z. Williamson says:

       January 1, 2018 at 2:11 pm

       “you would be able to learn that biblical manuscripts have more authenticity than the writings attributed to Julius Caesar or Plato”

       That is such a ridiculously false statement I actually have to question your “faith” vs your “gullibility” or even “intellectual honesty.”
     • Michael Z. Williamson says:

       January 1, 2018 at 2:20 pm

       The Oldest Surviving Fragments of the Babylonian Talmud May Date from the Ninth Century
       (Circa 850)
       “The oldest existing fragments of the Babylonian TalmudOffsite Link come to us almost coincidentally, having long ago ceased to serve their original function as pedagogic material. Currently, they enjoy a new incarnation as archeological artifacts that testify across the centuries to the development of a living, breathing literary tradition based on an even older oral culture of textual transmission. Discovered in repositories of discarded texts or hidden and preserved as constituent components of later volumes, these earliest surviving fragments of the Babylonian Talmud, some of which may date back to the ninth century c.e., serve modern scholars in a variety of ways. For the talmudist, the historian, or the linguist, these fragments illustrate the evolution of the text by means of variant word choices, sentence structure, orthography, and the like” (Goldstein & Mintz, Printing the Talmud from Bomberg to Schottenstein [2006] no. 3, p. 178).
       http://www.historyofinformation.com/expanded.php?id=1957
       ~~~
       https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/8583/what-is-the-oldest-manuscript-of-torah-shebaal-peh
       The oldest actual manuscript fragment appears to be the Cairo Genizah scroll fragment in the Cambridge University Library Genizah collection (which can be searched for ALL its wonderful things here-try “Talmud” or “ketubah” or “Rashi” for starters) studied by Professor Shamma Friedman, containing the Bavli’s Chullin 101a – 105a. Opinions to the exact date vary, from “at latest 7th century(600’s CE)” to Dr. Stephan Reif’s estimate of around 750 CE. A picture and brief description of it is here and Professor Friedman’s full JSTOR article is here. You have to sign up to read the full article, but it’s free.
       ~~~
       Torah, about 1500 years: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/21/burnt-manuscript-one-oldest-known-copies-torah-ever-found/90786164/

       So if someone claims to have one 950 years older, THEY ARE LYING.

       Which is an odd way to be “Faithful.”
7. Ray says:

   January 2, 2018 at 8:02 am

   I don’t care who’s god can beat up anybody, OR who’s holy book is the unquestioned “WORD”. I got no control over the universe or the “afterlife”(if there is one) That woman is hot. She has great hair, great eyes, and perfect skin. Thanks Oleg.

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