False flag operation?

Posted on July 22, 2012 by Oleg Volk

For years, many Australians claimed that the 1996 Port Arthur mass shooting was a false flag operation. This week, many Americans are saying the same about the Aurora, CO mass murder. Not having enough information about either, I can’t say if those views are accurate. We should, however, consider something about our lovely federal creatures: Fast and Furious was very much an false flag operation with hundreds of murders to show for it. So before anyone says “how could you even think that people would do something like that?”, let me point out that they have done something like that — on a grand scale — already and got caught. Any sufficiently noticeable terrorist event now be viewed as a possible US government agency plot for influence or some other gain. A bit like the Waco church massacre done to get a larger budget for BATF. That’s quite a PR problem for the leaders of the free world.

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30 Responses to False flag operation?

  1. Kristopher says:
    July 22, 2012 at 10:52 am

    Conspiracy nutters.

    Anyone with a work history can easily get $20k worth of credit cards to abuse. This isn’t a mystery.

    People with a bee in their bonnet always do this sort of thing. Never attribute an act to some kind of vast conspiracy when it can easily be explained by individual stupidity AND malice.

  2. Kristopher says:
    July 22, 2012 at 10:55 am

    And yes, the BATF at Waco was simply trying to make a COPS video using a bunch of Jesus Freaks who were working gunshows as a target.

    They had no clue, however, that it would turn out the way it did. So Clinton had the FBI clean up their mess for them. And the FBI was fully aware of what Clinton expected of them.

  3. will says:
    July 22, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Are you utterly deranged?

  4. BrockTownsend says:
    July 22, 2012 at 11:43 am

    I would not be surprised at anything the government did. Posted.

  5. Phssthpok says:
    July 22, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Any sufficiently noticeable terrorist event [can] now be viewed as a possible US government agency plot for influence or some other gain.

    Which actually meets Fed.gov’s own definition of terrorism.

    TITLE 18 – CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
    PART I – CRIMES
    CHAPTER 113B – TERRORISM
    Sec. 2331. Definitions

    As used in this chapter –

    (5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that –
    (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation
    of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
    (B) appear to be intended –
    (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
    (ii) to influence the policy of a government by
    intimidation or coercion; or
    (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass
    destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

    (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of
    the United States.

  6. Raine Carr says:
    July 22, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    I personally do not put anything past this government.

    • Huckleberry says:
      July 22, 2012 at 4:09 pm

      As bad as I hate to say it,that was my first thought now if only they could make him out to be a white southern conservative male,it would be the lefts perfect scenario.

  7. dantheserene says:
    July 22, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    There was a time when I would have laughed this theory out of the room. Considering virtually every Muslim terrorist plot since 9-11 has been largely a creation of the FBI (so they could get credit for stopping it), it seems a little more plausible. ATF has already shown what they are willing to do to meet their objectives, so while this is a stretch, it isn’t nearly as much of a stretch as it should be. I do wonder who this guy’s friends and suppliers might be.

  9. Johnny says:
    July 22, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    The list of government false flag operations is a long as your arm. There’s even a US Army Manual about how to do it.

    The timing of this is highly convenient for the signing of the UN gun ban treaty.

    Port Arthur is a particularly suspicious one but there are also a great many issues with the official account of the Dunblane Massacre in Scotland.

    It is widely believed the Pakistani ISI was behind the Mumbai atrocity was, the only fly in the ointment of that is the deep involvement of the CIA…

  10. Johnny says:
    July 22, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    The list of government false flag operations is a long as your arm. There’s even a US Army Manual about how to do it.

    The timing of this is highly convenient for the signing of the UN gun ban treaty.

    Port Arthur is a particularly suspicious one but there are also a great many issues with the official account of the Dunblane Massacre in Scotland.

    It is widely believed the Pakistani ISI was behind the Mumbai atrocity… the only fly in the ointment of that theory is the deep involvement of the CIA in the affair…

  11. Kunkmiester says:
    July 22, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    The fed has a track history, and the current regime has a record of incompetence. There is also a growing number of people who realize that some of these things are not what they seem(look at the 9/11 truther crowd for an extreme example) who will automatically assume the worst. It wouldn’t have been hard for this guy to fund his madness on his own, but too much else doesn’t add up about it.

    If anyone can screw up a false flag to the point where it becomes transparent, it’ll be this regime, and probably this event.

  12. Turk says:
    July 22, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    My take is this. It does not matter one bit if it was a false flag op. Not One. The left owns the main stream media. Most of the population still suckle on the media teat. All the big voices, all the “notable figures” are on the left. Comments like this being a false flag operation, true or not, will only be used as PROOF of how insane all the “Wing Nuts” are. The Truth game in this country is so massively rigged, that there is NO win scenario. To the vast majority of the sheeple, being one of “The cool kids”, not being a rube, or not being thought of as a “nut Job” is all important, and the spin doctors who control media and culture know this, they are virtuosos at molding the view of the culture to their ends. Sorry, rant off….

  13. George says:
    July 22, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    I agree remember the Reichstag and Hitler…. Led to a world war!

  14. Paul Koning says:
    July 22, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Re left wing media: yes indeed. However, somewhat to my surprise, I did see the question “why did no one shoot back” raised in, I think, CNN — exactly the place where normally that question would have been suppressed.
    I didn’t see the answer (“it was a disarmed victim zone”) but with any luck that will be heard, too.

  15. Weston Moss says:
    July 22, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    There are verifiable historical examples.

    Is this one? My feeling is no. Though the fact that he brought body armor and then didn’t have a stand off with police, or that he made the boobytraps to kill but then told them about them…..something just doesn’t add up.

  18. skoshi says:
    July 22, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    Pretty much any “it can’t happen here” event you can think of *has* happened here.

  19. Y. says:
    July 22, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    Port Arthur is an interesting case.. because the perpetrator has an IQ of 68 or so.
    Reading the various conspiracy theorist’s pages has given me a headache.

    Still, how can you say what happened there, unless you have access to police files themselves?

    Here’s an interview with the guy.

    Q. How many rounds do you reckon you would’ve practised, you know, any idea?

    A. Altogether, probably, probably twenty or thirty rounds out of that AR10 and probably twenty rounds out of that AR15 and that’s about it, mmm.

    The first tape, the Wilkinson tape, stopped after fifteen seconds and it recorded seventeen shots. The second tape, the Turner video, as far as the sound of shots in the café is concerned, stopped after twenty-five seconds and recorded twenty-one shots. I tender for your honour an audio response chart recorded off both films and your Honour will see the sharp, wide, white markings illustrating the timing of each shot and attributed to each tape. But if one goes back to the Wilkinson tape, which stopped recording sound after fifteen seconds, in those fifteen seconds twelve people were dead, one had suffered grievous bodily harm, five were wounded and four had suffered significant injuries in Bryant’s attempts to murder them.

    Most of the dead were hit in the head or neck. It does seem a little weird.

  20. John Smith says:
    July 24, 2012 at 6:36 am

    It doesn’t really matter if this was a false flag or not. What matters is that our government (both parties) wants to disarm us. This is a crucial step needed to be taken by any government intent in enslaving it’s people (see history for details). We the people need to make a decision whether or not we are going to die on our knees or not.

    As for me and my house, we are going to serve the Lord and will never bow down to men.

    J. Smith

  21. Alael says:
    July 26, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    I’m reading a novel written by Matthew Bracken, published in 2003, “Enemies foreign and domestic”. The plot is : “A stadium massacre leads to the banning of all semi-automatic rifles. But who really fired the fatal shots and why?”. (It worth its $5 on Kidlebook format).

    Considering that only few years ago anyone who would have dare to imagine a scenario about a federal agency putting in the hands of the bloodiest mexican gangs several thousands of american commercial weapons- just to have good stats to justify bypassing the Constitution of the USA (and the Bill of Rights) and to impose to Americans citizens the UN Treaty- this person would have been demonized as a “paranoid conspiracy theorist”… now the “Fast & Furious” scandal has shown to us all that this wildest “conspiracy theory” scenario could be actually real, I’ll never say again: it’s impossible!

  22. Alael says:
    July 30, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Oleg is not the only one who raises this question:
    http://personalliberty.com/2012/07/30/the-false-flag-gun-grab/?eiid=
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/james-holmes-is-behaving-like-sirhan-sirhan.html

    Knowing that the “Fast & Furious” scandal is real, knowing that some governmental intelligence services used to make experiments (have they stopped???) on behaviour conditionning and modification ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA ). Is it still a crazy “conspiracy thoery” from Libertarians???

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