New on AllOutdoor: Rimfire training: semi-auto vs. manual actions.

9 Responses to New on AllOutdoor: Rimfire training: semi-auto vs. manual actions.

1. Nick says:

   October 15, 2013 at 10:55 pm

   Тебе ОЧЕНЬ повезло с моделью!
2. j.r. guerra in s. tx. says:

   October 16, 2013 at 12:21 pm

   My choice for trainer would be a bolt gun, to teach deliberate actions. For young or small statured individuals, CZ Scout. This model comes supplied with single shot trey but fits the 5 and 10 round magazines of its siblings. For adults, CZ 452, the Scout’s big brother. High quality manufacture with outstanding iron sights both.

   As pictured in above, I’d start with iron sights, teaching the basics. Scopes come later for speed and precision – what you want is to focus on the basics (breathing – trigger control – follow through). Harder to accomplish with semi-auto without discipline.
3. og says:

   October 16, 2013 at 1:37 pm

   I really like the Romanian trainers. I wish I had bought a dozen when they were $59. I am torn between doing things to it to make it more suitable to my purposes- like drilling and tapping it for scope mounts- or leaving it alone and getting a different rifle I can scope. Being a non bubba, I lean toward not touching it.
4. LarryArnold says:

   October 16, 2013 at 1:40 pm

   The debate about the merits of teaching new shooters on semi-automatic vs. manually operated .22 rifles started almost a century ago, when semi-autos first appeared.

   Quibble:
   The first production semiauto was the Mannlicher Model of 1885.
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Mannlicher

   The Winchester 03 was the first rimfire semiauto on the U.S. market in 1903, with the cenerfire Winchester 05 following two years later.
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1903
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1905
   • Oleg Volk says:

     October 16, 2013 at 1:43 pm

     Good point. I was thinking purely in terms of .22LR rather than any .22 rimfire like the 22 Winchester Auto.
5. Anon Y. Moose says:

   October 16, 2013 at 9:21 pm

   My wife loves her CZ 452 with the tangent rear sight and it’s a real shooter. But I really like to use peep sights to teach new shooters, regardless of whether they’re on a semi auto or bolt gun.
6. Mark Horning says:

   October 17, 2013 at 10:57 pm

   Love the Romanian Training rifles. This one has a much nicer stock finish than mine though.
7. Y. says:

   October 20, 2013 at 4:31 am

   Yeah I know it’s not appropriate, but really..
   ..bolt or semi-auto pre-charged airguns are as much fun to shoot as .22’s

   Cost per shot is also way lower. Muzzle velocity is similar unless HV, lighter projectiles, so not practical for self-defense, but then, guns are cheap. TTs especially.
8. SPQR says:

   October 21, 2013 at 12:53 am

   I’m a fan of the Romanian M1969 also. Used it for hundreds of hunter education students with good reliability. A lot of novices did best with it over more traditional first .22 rimfire rifles.

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