A: .223 is just too small!
B: Are you saying US Army should have just kept the 45-70?
A: That’s an idea…but make it work in a semi-auto.
For people who prefer throwing 300-350 grains of lead with every trigger pull: Teppo Jutsu in .458 SOCOM. Take any .223 AR lower, swap the upper. Standard AR15 magazines work but hold 1/3 as much ammunition. OK, so there’s no free lunch. But .458 SOCOM (comparable to full power 45-70 in performance) would impress a bear whereas .223 might not.
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Recoil?
On par with 20ga shotgun using birdshot.
Stop shooting poodles.
Fuck poodles. 20 GA is good for self-defense , I say. The problem is – there is no proper barrels this days . You don’t need a riffling, if you press one into another properly. 100 yards you are just as good without one. Wave structure, this is the key here.
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“Stop shooting poodles”
I agree. Oleg’s needs to stop slurring poodles too. Poodles are large hunting dogs in the 50-65 pound range. Those little noisey things are some breed of rat.
But yes, let’s return to the 45-70. I love that round.
458 SOCOM is for those giant, rabid mutant poodles in the 200 pound range.
Mutant poodles? Like in the first “Hulk” movie?
What’s wrong with hollowpoint .308 bullets?
Generally nothing at all, and if you have a 308 you are well armed. They won’t penetrate the really, really big poodles as well as the 458 though.
I don’t know about high velocity hollowpoints. On one hand they can be spectacular. On the other hand, I’ve recovered bits of a 175 grain 308 HP from a 12 ounce plastic water bottle struck at 380 yards. The bullet essentially detonated on contact. That’ll blow the lungs right out of a deer, but the heavier, slower bullets can penetrate amazingly far through any size poodle.
It all depends on the desired effect on the chosen target.
For the heavier poodles, there’s always FMJ, or ball AP ammo, right?
Apparently I didn’t get through…now I have something to tell my brother to get for me for my recent birthday.
Sounds like fun. Wonder how many .458s one could stuff into one of those SureFire 60-rd. mags?
Not sure about the SureFire mags, but the MWG 90-rounder (.223) will hold around 32 rounds of .458 SOCOM… if you need all 32, you need to reconsider what you are doing ;o)