You can always tell an AR15 shooter…

…by how high they place the heel of the stock.

.223 Ruger M77 left-hand with 3-9x Trijicon Accupoint. I had a chance to shoot this combination yesterday at 150 yards with only a small branch for support: it worked great. Appleseed really does build both skills and confidence.


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7 Responses to You can always tell an AR15 shooter…

  1. Mark says:

    Not always. On certain rifles I do the same because the LOP of the stock is too short and that is the only way I can get a proper cheek weld. On a SKS or an AR-15 yes I shoot like that. On my Mosin, HK or shotguns? Nope I’d break my shoulder if I did that.

  2. Tierlieb says:

    I’d rather say “you can always tell whether a shooter was taught to move the gun towards the head and not the head towards the gun”. That is just a modern school of thought that emphasises the ability for quick follow-up shots using NPOA. It is commonly taught to people using modern rifles, because bolt action rifles of all kinds to not lend themselves to that technique. You might have seen the same thing on the S4G course in Switzerland with Sig 550.

  3. j.r. guerra in s. tx. says:

    Regardless of the training, shooting a major round ( 7.62NATO and > ) on an unpadded shoulder is going to be felt and seen – Ouch! In the shown .223, not that big a deal.

    • Tierlieb says:

      Good point, J.R. Guerra. I’d argue that it does depend on the stock shape. For me, these stocks still work on a 9.3×62 with that technique but I spend more time on weightlifting than on shooting.

      Something more rounded (clubfoot-style stocks like, for example, the VLTOR emod) will work a lot better for the majority, as will adding a cheek raiser or higher comb.

      Now that I think about it, a Bavarian/hogsback pattern stock is probably an older attempt to do the same while still leaving space for the bolt. Never shot one, so I don’t know for sure.

  4. jimbob86 says:

    Ah, the Gunculture 2.0 stance…..

    That rifle, as set-up, with that stance and technique, is a recipe for painfull recoil if used with anything more powerfull than the varmit round it is chambered for.

    The scope is too high for the stock, preventing proper sight alignment and proper cheek weld at the same time …. lack of a good cheek weld also makes aquiring targets slower, as well ….. no reference for repeatable head position when shouldering the rifle…..

    Having the toe of the stock poke you just under the collarbone on every shot can not be comfortable even with the poodleshooting calibers….

  5. Tom Knight says:

    The standard shape stock that comes on many of the rifles even today is made for someone who is about 7 feet tall, but doesn’t have much of a neck. The cheek piece is too low, sights are too low (this one too jimbob86), and the length of pull is just too darn long. Adjustable stocks that the antis are so against are what we should be using to fit the gun to the shooter, not the shooter to the gun.

  6. c-90 says:

    And certain stock models of Springfield M-1903-A3, and Springfield M-1903’s. If you were taught to soot on a M-14, you can’t get a good cheek/stock weld.

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